It is definitely safe to say, that the season one finale of the incredible Apple TV+ series, You Would Do It Too (Tú También lo Harías), has left us with a lot to process. Courtesy of that epic twist involving Fran and well, to properly process such matters, we sat down with series co-creator, writer and executive producer, David Victory to discuss that ending and more.
John Betancourt: I would love to start by getting to know what it means to you now, to have the first season of this incredible story out into the world. David Victori: I'm super excited. I mean, as we talked the first time, I was really excited about, you know, it was taking forever for me. You know, one episode each week. It was, for me like, “Oh, my God, still. They are still in the third or the fourth episode. I can’t believe it.” I was really excited. I was shooting another project during this time, but I was keeping an eye of what, what was going on and you know, I have a group chat with the actors and some of the crew. And we was talking about, you know, the reactions, really excited about how people in many countries were enjoying the series. So, so, yeah, I'm happy. John Betancourt: As you should be. What a finale that was, and a twist that I just did not see coming in the slightest and speaking of that, let's talk about a second. When did you and your co-writer decide upon taking Fran down that crazy path? David Victori: It's a really good question, man, I remember really clear the day that we decided about this ending, and I was working not just with a writer that day, I remember that we had a meeting with a friend of mine who is an expert of a psychological tool that I use for my project that is called Enneagram, and we was kind of working so hard on the design of every and each character. And I remember that we was talking really deep on the character of Fran, and we was talking about all the arcs that these kind of people, the people that has this character, can go around and how, how people like this can change. And it was really interesting when he said, the people who normally don't take action and is more passive, sometimes, when they take action, they are really crazy about the decision that they make. Suddenly, going around these ideas, suddenly we were like, what about if he really goes crazy? And, you know, and he just decided to go for his own sense of justice, and don't care about whatever this means as a human being. And we suddenly had the idea, and we go wild, we start to laugh, like, kind of nervous, laughing like, “Oh my God, no, no, no, no, we cannot do that. We cannot do that. That's wild, that's crazy.” And it's like, yeah, man, but you don't see that coming, you know? And the exciting thing is that make a lot of sense for the design of the character. So that's what we are proud of that because as crazy as it seems makes sense for the arc of the character. And, yeah, this is why we did it, and we're kind of brave about that, and we and we did it, and I think that is savage and crazy and wild. John Betancourt: I'm very curious, how early did you guys decide upon the twist as well? Because clearly, as I was thinking about this and going through all the stories before our interview, You start seeing it build. You start seeing it build. So, hi, yeah. When did you guys really kind of hit that inspiration point to start work on the twist. David Victori: I mean, so we wrote all the episodes from the beginning. So we, when we enter in production, we had the, you know, the last draft of every and each episode ready so we have super clear about every detail that we want to build up and in a way, you know, what happened with this character is, in a way, he… so, what is interesting about the project is that if every part of society stop doing or stop trying to do the correct thing, because it's complex… uh, I think that that will never have a good end, you know. I think that what we was talking a lot about this series, is that, in a way, is like society is like a teenager right now, you know, like, it's like a teenager who cannot hold complex subjects. You know, everything that happens in society, we react in a really simple way, like, like, “Okay, who is the bad people? Who is the good people, who are the heroes, who are the villains?” And I think that this relationship with reality is really poor and really sad, because it is not how it is, because in our personal life, everything is complex. You know, it's not just -- things are not simple. So, coming back to the question, when we build that with this character, we try to, kind of like make him go through all the way feeling this kind of disappointment with everything that happened. So, at the end, he feel alone and he feel completely disconnected, in order to, in some moment, he can do anything, and it's okay, you know? John Betancourt: That's great. That's brilliant, and what a good point on society being so immature at this point. Now obviously, I hear you're passionate about this. We talked about the passion before. What did you enjoy the most about putting together this wonderful first season? David Victori: Look the other day, I just shoot another project with the same DOP and part of the same team and we were talking the other day, and he said something really interesting. He said, “in Tú También lo Harías, everything works in a really magical way.” He said, “suddenly we had the ingredients to make the perfect cocktail,” you know? And it's true that when I remember the shooting of this project, the editing and the writing, it was really magical. I think that we choose really well, the team, we choose really well, the actors, the synergy with all the actors, it was amazing. It was something magical and something really, really strange that happened that doesn’t always happen, John, that is, I had completely creative freedom, and that was amazing. That was a dream come true. So, I remember that expression of freedom, creative freedom. And when I was in that process, I remember being aware of that and understanding that that was something that I have to be really grateful about, because it's not always like this, yeah, so I earned that as much with as much responsibility as possible, you know? So, so, yeah, I remember, my memories, about this project is they're really special. John Betancourt: Keeping in that line of thinking, what does it mean to you to have created something so refreshing and so original? David Victori: It's, it's my goal from the beginning, you know, I try to make movies that I will enjoy as an audience, you know, and I don't know… I think that I'm not particularly smart. So, I need something when I watch movies or a series. I need something that really grabs my attention so really quick, but then I don't want, I don't want movies or stories that don't go deep, you know. So, if I put my time in some story, I want that person or that crew or that team, to bring me somewhere that I cannot reach for myself, right? So, if you choose my series, I want the journey to make sense. And you know, because I really value the time that people can put in my stories. I think that is the most precious gift that someone can give you is their time. So, when somebody give me that, I want to use that in a really entertaining way, but at the same time, you know, try to give that person a point of view of reality that sometimes maybe he cannot see, or she cannot see for themselves. John Betancourt: The last question that I have for you today, what are you most proud of when with what you've assembled here? David Victori: I think that the energy that the story has. Because I think that we shot the project in a way that we try to bring something really organic and authentic. And I feel that is in the result. And you can see that has this kind of like characters that you feel, you feel something real on what you are watching, it's really, in a way, that you feel that something was happening there, and really was happening. I mean, what I don't want is that I don't want to put the camera in something that is dead. I want the camera to put in something that is alive. And in order to shoot something that is alive, when we are living this, when we are shooting this, has to be alive, because, if not, you know, it's just too mental, you know, too intellectual. And I think that we did a lot of efforts to try to do that during the shooting. And I think that we catch that and it's what we offer to the people who want to enjoy the show. This interview has been lightly edited and condensed for clarity. It is definitely safe to say, that the season one finale of the incredible Apple TV+ series, You Would Do It Too (Tú También lo Harías), has left us with a lot to process. Courtesy of that epic twist involving Fran and well, to properly process such matters, we sat down with series co-creator, writer and executive producer, David Victory to discuss that ending and more. John Betancourt: I would love to start by getting to know what it means to you now, to have the first season of this incredible story out into the world. David Victori: I'm super excited. I mean, as we talked the first time, I was really excited about, you know, it was taking forever for me. You know, one episode each week. It was, for me like, “Oh, my God, still. They are still in the third or the fourth episode. I can’t believe it.” I was really excited. I was shooting another project during this time, but I was keeping an eye of what, what was going on and you know, I have a group chat with the actors and some of the crew. And we was talking about, you know, the reactions, really excited about how people in many countries were enjoying the series. So, so, yeah, I'm happy. John Betancourt: As you should be. What a finale that was, and a twist that I just did not see coming in the slightest and speaking of that, let's talk about a second. When did you and your co-writer decide upon taking Fran down that crazy path? David Victori: It's a really good question, man, I remember really clear the day that we decided about this ending, and I was working not just with a writer that day, I remember that we had a meeting with a friend of mine who is an expert of a psychological tool that I use for my project that is called Enneagram, and we was kind of working so hard on the design of every and each character. And I remember that we was talking really deep on the character of Fran, and we was talking about all the arcs that these kind of people, the people that has this character, can go around and how, how people like this can change. And it was really interesting when he said, the people who normally don't take action and is more passive, sometimes, when they take action, they are really crazy about the decision that they make. Suddenly, going around these ideas, suddenly we were like, what about if he really goes crazy? And, you know, and he just decided to go for his own sense of justice, and don't care about whatever this means as a human being. And we suddenly had the idea, and we go wild, we start to laugh, like, kind of nervous, laughing like, “Oh my God, no, no, no, no, we cannot do that. We cannot do that. That's wild, that's crazy.” And it's like, yeah, man, but you don't see that coming, you know? And the exciting thing is that make a lot of sense for the design of the character. So that's what we are proud of that because as crazy as it seems makes sense for the arc of the character. And, yeah, this is why we did it, and we're kind of brave about that, and we and we did it, and I think that is savage and crazy and wild. John Betancourt: I'm very curious, how early did you guys decide upon the twist as well? Because clearly, as I was thinking about this and going through all the stories before our interview, You start seeing it build. You start seeing it build. So, hi, yeah. When did you guys really kind of hit that inspiration point to start work on the twist. David Victori: I mean, so we wrote all the episodes from the beginning. So we, when we enter in production, we had the, you know, the last draft of every and each episode ready so we have super clear about every detail that we want to build up and in a way, you know, what happened with this character is, in a way, he… so, what is interesting about the project is that if every part of society stop doing or stop trying to do the correct thing, because it's complex… uh, I think that that will never have a good end, you know. I think that what we was talking a lot about this series, is that, in a way, is like society is like a teenager right now, you know, like, it's like a teenager who cannot hold complex subjects. You know, everything that happens in society, we react in a really simple way, like, like, “Okay, who is the bad people? Who is the good people, who are the heroes, who are the villains?” And I think that this relationship with reality is really poor and really sad, because it is not how it is, because in our personal life, everything is complex. You know, it's not just -- things are not simple. So, coming back to the question, when we build that with this character, we try to, kind of like make him go through all the way feeling this kind of disappointment with everything that happened. So, at the end, he feel alone and he feel completely disconnected, in order to, in some moment, he can do anything, and it's okay, you know? John Betancourt: That's great. That's brilliant, and what a good point on society being so immature at this point. Now obviously, I hear you're passionate about this. We talked about the passion before. What did you enjoy the most about putting together this wonderful first season? David Victori: Look the other day, I just shoot another project with the same DOP and part of the same team and we were talking the other day, and he said something really interesting. He said, “in Tú También lo Harías, everything works in a really magical way.” He said, “suddenly we had the ingredients to make the perfect cocktail,” you know? And it's true that when I remember the shooting of this project, the editing and the writing, it was really magical. I think that we choose really well, the team, we choose really well, the actors, the synergy with all the actors, it was amazing. It was something magical and something really, really strange that happened that doesn’t always happen, John, that is, I had completely creative freedom, and that was amazing. That was a dream come true. So, I remember that expression of freedom, creative freedom. And when I was in that process, I remember being aware of that and understanding that that was something that I have to be really grateful about, because it's not always like this, yeah, so I earned that as much with as much responsibility as possible, you know? So, so, yeah, I remember, my memories, about this project is they're really special. John Betancourt: Keeping in that line of thinking, what does it mean to you to have created something so refreshing and so original? David Victori: It's, it's my goal from the beginning, you know, I try to make movies that I will enjoy as an audience, you know, and I don't know… I think that I'm not particularly smart. So, I need something when I watch movies or a series. I need something that really grabs my attention so really quick, but then I don't want, I don't want movies or stories that don't go deep, you know. So, if I put my time in some story, I want that person or that crew or that team, to bring me somewhere that I cannot reach for myself, right? So, if you choose my series, I want the journey to make sense. And you know, because I really value the time that people can put in my stories. I think that is the most precious gift that someone can give you is their time. So, when somebody give me that, I want to use that in a really entertaining way, but at the same time, you know, try to give that person a point of view of reality that sometimes maybe he cannot see, or she cannot see for themselves. John Betancourt: The last question that I have for you today, what are you most proud of when with what you've assembled here? David Victori: I think that the energy that the story has. Because I think that we shot the project in a way that we try to bring something really organic and authentic. And I feel that is in the result. And you can see that has this kind of like characters that you feel, you feel something real on what you are watching, it's really, in a way, that you feel that something was happening there, and really was happening. I mean, what I don't want is that I don't want to put the camera in something that is dead. I want the camera to put in something that is alive. And in order to shoot something that is alive, when we are living this, when we are shooting this, has to be alive, because, if not, you know, it's just too mental, you know, too intellectual. And I think that we did a lot of efforts to try to do that during the shooting. And I think that we catch that and it's what we offer to the people who want to enjoy the show. This interview has been lightly edited and condensed for clarity.
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