JJ Bailey is an accomplished writer and producer, who just so happened to find the inspiration to create the new NBC crime procedural, The Hunting Party, and we had the honor of sitting down with JJ to discuss this fascinating new show.
John Betancourt: I would love to start by getting to know what it was that inspired you to create just such a unique and refreshing story. JJ Bailey: Oh, first of all, thank you for calling it that, you know, I typically tell the story, you know, Jake Coburn, who, of course, couldn't be here today. He and I were set up sort of on this blind date by our studio, you know, we both created something for NBCUniversal before, and they thought we'd get along, and we sat down for like this half hour, Zoom, that turned into two hours. Oh, by the end of it, we were just like, “We've got to do something together. Man, we just like, we like all the same things. We speak the same language.” And over the course that meeting, it was very clear we both really wanted to do a procedural that felt a little bit different, and we wanted to do something that sort of broke out of the procedural genre a little bit. We loved serial killer stories, so we knew we were going to do something in that vein, and we wanted to do something that had elements of a conspiracy thriller. And, you know, from there, it just really snowballed into sort of what it was, or what it is. And I will say, Jake is a really brilliant creative partner and bouncing ideas off each other was such a fun experience. And this came together in a really sort of natural way for us, which was refreshing and fantastic. John Betancourt: It shows on the screen too, because everything just flows so well, and it's also wonderfully complex. And I also am very curious about, speaking of that complexity, what went into the decision to create stories that just have so much for the audience to enjoy. JJ Bailey: Yeah, well, you know, we really, like I said, we really wanted to do something that serves a lot of different things, right? We wanted to do the procedural. We wanted to do a serial killer storyline. We wanted to do, you know, a larger conspiracy thriller. And we really wanted to get under the hood of our characters. And when you try to do all that, it's going to involve several storylines. And the thing for me, that I was so excited about, is, in the creation process of the story, we fell in love with every character, and we found ourselves with these really exciting storylines for every single character, and the sort of embarrassment of riches of, well, you know, we can't do all of them, because there's only, you know, 41 minutes or something, we have, and then also getting the cast that we got, which I'm just, I absolutely adore everybody in the cast and how fantastic they are on screen. You just want to give them more. You keep wanting to do more as a creative behind it. So, yeah, it really, really was an embarrassment of riches in that way. John Betancourt: Now, in creating something this wonderfully well woven together, what kind of challenge did you guys’ encounter? Because you go into so much detail of just having to find out the serial killer origins and their motives and then keep that conspiracy fresh. So yeah, how tough was it to assemble all that? JJ Bailey: You know, it's definitely tough. We approach it from the perspective of, you know, we're, it's not a who-done-it. It's more like, why-done-it and why-doing-it again type thing. Because, you know, a typical procedural, there's a crime and you're trying to figure out who is behind this. You’re piecing it together without knowing the killer. With our show, the challenge, and hopefully part of the enjoyable thing is, you know who the killer is right out of the gate. Which means we have to break free from certain structural dynamics that you typically have in a procedural, you know, because we already know who the killer is right out of the gate. And so, we have to provide additional wrinkles in the storyline, and we always want to be able to find a surprising turn where you know, even though we know who the killer is and we know why they did what they did in the past, why are they doing what they're doing now? And sort of piece it together that way. And it's been a challenge. You sort of have to break two motives for the same killer in order to have something feel sort of fresh in its in its telling. John Betancourt: That brings me to my next question. Obviously, every episode is getting bigger and bolder, which I love. I watched episode four before this interview, which is just insanely good, and it gets into so many cool ideas. But, without spoiling, what you are most excited from a standpoint of getting bigger and bolder for audiences to experience down the road here, JJ Bailey: Yeah, what a great question. I will say what you just saw, Episode Four is one of my favorites. Make a side note. Kevin Corrigan. Unbelievable. John Betancourt: Oh, yeah, absolutely. JJ Bailey: But you know, I think we found ourselves with the freedom to sort of break out of a structure that we were in, later in the season, which allowed for sort of bigger storytelling and the ability to do some more dynamic things. And you know, I know everybody probably talks about doing a big finale, but we were able to do a really big thing in our finale that I'm really excited for people to see that was super fun. And episode eight is another one that I'm really excited about. It's got a very dynamic killer that breaks out of that structure again, but also has some really -- elements of like Seven and things like that that we wove into that, that are really fun. So, I hopefully people really do feel like things are growing every episode until the ‘till the end. John Betancourt: Oh, then I cannot wait to see eight and the finale. That’ll be worth the wait. Now, this is obviously a passion project. I hear it in your voice. I hear the joy and see the smile on your face. What does it mean to you now to have this, this labor of love out to the masses on a regular basis? JJ Bailey: It's surreal. I will say, you know, just for me personally, I've worked for quite a while to try to get something on the air. Having something on the air is, it's incredibly special. But probably the most special part of that is, you know, is my, I've shot a couple pilots before. I've done that, but seeing what goes into getting a series, 10 episodes on the air. How many people contribute in meaningful ways, and how many people pour -- they don't just contribute like I mean; we had an incredible team behind us that wasn't just showing up to work and doing their job. I mean, we have people just pouring their passion into this. And seeing that is an incredibly humbling experience, and makes you just, I'll speak for myself, it makes me just want the show to be successful so much more, because I see what other people put into this thing, and that's been a huge joy for me, to see the level of passion other people came to the table with and really put into this. It was, it was incredibly special. John Betancourt: The last question that I have for you today, what are you most proud of when it comes to what you've assembled here in season one? JJ Bailey: I gotta say the cast, man. I mean, the show, the show is super fun, but it wouldn't be the show without the cast, you know, and casting is really tricky. You know, you need chemistry between everybody, you know, one, one sort of misstep that doesn't quite feel natural, doesn't feel right, and it can kind of break the vibe. And I will say, from top to bottom, we got such a special cast. And if I step away from the TV of it all, just watching these people has been so fun. You know, in between takes and offset, they're just really great people who enjoy being in each other's company. Melissa (Roxburgh) being the number one on the call sheet, she sets an incredible tone. She's so welcoming and warm and fun to be around that I think you know, the set, for as dark as the show can be, the set was an incredibly fun and lighthearted place where just you could tell everybody was having fun being there. And so I would say the cast, and honestly, the crew too, which, you know, we have, Jeff Rafner helped put together a lot of the people that we worked with behind the scenes, and he worked magic, putting together just the right, right people, so that that's probably the biggest thing I'm most proud of, is the team behind the show. This interview has been lightly edited and condensed for clarity.
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It is absolutely safe to say that Mo Collins is a comedy legend. For her work on Mad TV was downright revolutionary, and she has continued to grow that work through various feature film and television roles Recently, she played Starla on this week’s episode of Night Court, and we here at NTG had the distinct honor of sitting down with Mo to discuss all things Starla and comedy.
John Betancourt: Obviously, you are nothing short of a comedy legend, and it’s been such a huge part of your career. I’d like to start by getting to know what is about comedy that continues to energize you. Mo Collins: Oh gosh, it's like therapy for me. It's my BFF. You know? It's helped me through everything. It's helped me. Comedy is my survival tool. You know it really is, like, I use it in hard times. I use it in other people's hard times to try and help them. Yeah, comedy is very, very important to me, and I grew up in a funny family. I mean, I don't know if they knew they were funny, but, you know, we were silly. You know, my family was silly, and, like, my mother had a very sharp, you know, wit, and so I was around it. It's a place of comfort for me. It’s also a sign of intelligence, John, so, I can’t help it. (Laughter from Mo and John.) John Betancourt: Makes you “Mo the Magnificent”. I’m also curious, how you managed to come aboard as Starla on Night Court? Mo Collins: They called me. Isn't that nice? John Betancourt: It absolutely is. Mo Collins: They took a look at that role and said, “That's got Mo Collins’ name on it, doesn't it?” And they called me, which is so nice in this business. Let me just tell you to get that call. And that's so great, because, you know, this is a business of trying all the time, so to just get that call was absolutely delightful. John Betancourt: Now, you’ve done it all acting wise, and that’s important to this next question because every single guest star on Night Court has been deeply fleshed out and real in many ways, despite the zany stuff they do. And I’m curious how you, and your experience, helped to flesh out Starla. Mo Collins: I love this question. Um, it's very important for me, and always has been, even in some of the craziest characters that I've played, I really have to ground them. It's very important to me to keep them grounded. And that means that I need them to really feel and see the moments that they're in, to just be there in the moment with them and embody that. That's very important to me, to ground my crazy people. But I mean, if you think about it, you know, and you go about in the world, and you consider the people in the world, and you look and you go, “That person just seems so crazy.” And then you kind of consider them for a bit, and you go, “No, they're grounded in themselves in a way that is very unique.” And that's really what it is, that's character building, it’s just considering the person on the page, the script, consider them as a human being and how they really feel and react and respond. And it's just important to me to keep my crazy grounded. John Betancourt: Well that certainly worked since you know who she is and what she’s about in the story. Now, this is also a rare opportunity to talk to someone that has helped to shape modern comedy, and helped to shape the modern multi-cam and I’m very curious how you prepare for that kind of work since you know it all so well. Mo Collins: Yeah, I gotta tell you, John, I had not done multi cam in like, a decade. So, to be honest, it wasn't exactly like riding a bike. It wasn't, which stunned me and scared me, like my first take in front of the live audience. And it wasn't the audience that scared me. It's this. It's that working in single cam so much over the past two decades, you know you have to with multi cam, you gotta know the scene memorized top to bottom, which I always memorize my scenes, you know? But this is, it's more theater, right? Like doing a play where you don't get to stop and go, “Oh, let me start again,” right? It's different. You're playing the scene, and that really struck me in the first, the first scene that I did, and I was a little uncomfortable, because I'm like, “Oh, my God. Mo, have you… what have you lost a couple steps here?” But then I got back into it. I was like, “No, you know what you're doing. Mo, you know what you're doing.” But that first one was, I was scared. I was nervous, you know, I'm like, “Oh my gosh,” you start to think, like, “Do I know my lines?” Like you're right in the middle of the scene. But then I was right back to it, yeah, but it took a minute, and it's like, “Oh my gosh,” it's been so long since I'd done it that there was… there were nerves, John, there were nerves. John Betancourt: That’s amazing, we’d never know that, and I appreciate that. I think everyone always assumes, me included, you just go out there and it clicks. But as a follow up to that, I do have to ask, what was it that finally allows for everything to come together for you. Mo Collins: I remembered who I am. John Betancourt: I love that. And obviously, I can hear the joy in your voice in talking about the experience, and there’s a real devilish delight that shows on screen in your performance. So, what did you enjoy the most about playing Starla? Mo Collins: I love a good, broken woman. (Laughter) I mean, I do. Not even just broken, but like she's multifaceted and I enjoy that, like she has highs, she has lows. And that's depth to me. You know, as seemingly, this woman that doesn't have depth. She does. We all do. You know, so it was fun to be -- it's always so fun to be inside of somebody that, by outward appearances, is so outlandish, but to them… just hold like the seriousness of them inside. I like holding on to my characters like that. If that makes any sense to you at all, I tend to hold my characters very dear to my heart. I love them. I've even… and this is going to sound, well, nerdy. I've written letters to my characters. You know? John Betancourt: Nerdy is perfect and that does make sense, and that’s amazing. Gives them real meaning. So, the last question I have for you today, is a simple, and nerdy one… did you get to keep that awesome cape? Because the ‘Starla’ on the back was too cool. Mo Collins: I know! That cape! When that came out, I was like, “No way!” And no, I did not get to keep I didn't keep it. But I look forward to people dressing like that as Halloween John Betancourt: There you go. Get a line out, and an authentic replica for you. Mo Collins: Exactly, it'd be a great costume. This interview has been lightly edited and condensed for clarity. It is definitely safe to say, that the new motion picture, Las Tres Sisters, is quite the important feature. For not only does it express optimism and hope in these dark times (read our review here), but it also features representation and so much more. In fact, to properly explore the breadth of this incredible movie, we sat down with its cast, Marta Méndez Cross (Maria), Valeria Maldonaldo (Lucia), Virginia Novello (Sofia), and Cristo Fernández (Kin) to further break down this groundbreaking story.
John Betancourt: First off, thank you all so much for you time today. This is a beautiful film, and I’m so looking forward to learning about how you put it together, and I would like to start by getting to know what inspired the creation of this feature. Marta Méndez Cross: It started with the theme of forgiveness, really, you know, that's something that can be really hard just as a human being. So, it started from a very organic place. With Virginia and Valeria, they came together to write a scene about a theme that both of them were dealing with. And it was a two-page scene that was for their actors’ reel, and I was very pregnant and not auditioning anymore as an actress. In that moment, I was about to pop, and they asked me to come on as a director for that short, two-page scene that we developed into a short film that ended up, after that, becoming a feature. And we've just been following a spark of a story that needed to be told, really, to share, you know, a human story about forgiveness. But through the window of like these three Latina women, which we feel like, you know, is also something that we don't get to see much, even as actresses, when we're reading screenplays and pilots and seeing how Hollywood or other folks have written us through their lens, we felt like taking it into our own hands. So, it's been a journey, to say the least. Virginia Novello: So, Marta had worked with Youssef Delara, our other writer, previously, and there’s another person that came in, which is Ruiz de Velasco Gonzalo, and he is a producer that he believed in this project from the beginning. He's the one that was like, “This needs to be a feature. And we were like, really, we weren't thinking about it. And he's like, “No, really, this needs to be a feature,” and we didn't know how to write a feature. And one of the things that I give us props for is that when we don't know something, we don't pretend that we know. We ask for help. So, we are like, we know how to write dialogue, we know story, but we didn't know structure. And so, then Youssef came in, and he wrote a beautiful, structured script. Now, he did the first two drafts, and then we came in, and then we just went with it in a very different way. And we got deeper, because we wrote this for six years. And so, it developed as we developed, you know, as we got deeper into our lives, we put that into the script. As we were growing in our relationships, in our lives. We kept putting it in there. So, the script got deeper and deeper, but we never moved that structure. So, Yousef definitely came in and created a beautiful structure that we could work with and move the script however we wanted. John Betancourt: Now, Cristo, what attracted you to take on the role of Kin in this feature? Cristo Fernández: Well, it was back in 2021, and I was in Guadalajara, and that's where we met, and I just wanted to do more things in my hometown in Mexico. But back then I was away for like, six seven years. I born and raised in Guadalajara, but away for six seven years, and I thought, “it's enough.” I need to go back and have some and eat proper Mexican food with my family, my friends, and I met Virginia, Marta, Valeria, our director, Mar Novo, and our producer, Denisse Prieto. And I just love the story, and I love that it was gonna be in Guadalajara, and it involved different locations, towns that some I knew, some I didn't. But more than anything, I love just the message of the film, and, of course, my character, it was a different way of doing something different. But also, I just love the message of the film, which, to me, it's all about the journey, the miracle is a journey, and it's not -- sometimes we just focus. And I tend to be that kind of guy that... I just want this, and I focus myself in that. I wanted just to be a soccer player and nothing else in my life. And that's cool, but there's other things around it. And I, as you know, I ended up in Ted Lasso. But I would never even have imagined that 10 years before that, when I had my injuries and my life was destroyed, but then 10 years later on, ended up being the best to me, and I think for these sisters, somehow, it's a good reminder that sometimes tragedies in the long run can be, a good thing, as long as you work hard, push yourself, surround yourself with the family, both that you choose, that you're born with, and the one that you choose. John Betancourt: Now there are so many beautiful messages and themes present in this story, and I’m wondering what you ultimately hope audiences take away from this film when they settle in to watch it. Valeria Maldonaldo: You know, yes, I think there's so there are so many messages in this film that we very, very purposely put in there. As we were experiencing things in life and healing our own wounds. We wanted to put it into the script so that hopefully people could also have a cathartic experience while they were watching it. And I mean, what Cristo just said, for me, that's like, one of the biggest things, right, is that sometimes -- I actually, I did the Camino de Santiago many, many years ago, which is the pilgrimage. And I remember that I was walking because I wanted this one thing. I was walking, and I ended up getting all of the other answers that I was not looking for, and all of, like, the healing and all of these other things, and that question wasn't even, like relevant. So, I think that's one of, like, the biggest things that we have in the film. But I think for me, one of the biggest things about this film is the message is about unity. Because, you know, we have three sisters that are very different, that have different belief systems, that have different lifestyles, that have different… everything, and that also don't agree in a lot of things. And then we also have then Cristo’s character, that is, you know, he's in a completely different world than these, like Americanized, at least two of the Americanized sisters, but they find a language. And even actually, like Kin and Lucia, they don't even speak the actual same language, right? They're like communicating in English and in Spanish to each other, but they find a way to connect and to communicate, and in moments like the ones that we're living right now, for me, finding that, that connection with people, and finding a bridge between people, so that it's not just forgiveness, but it's connection, and being able to coexist so that, I think, for me, would be like one of the most, most important things that this film, I hope, teaches people. Virginia Novello: No, yeah, I think, like you said, there were so many messages and so many reasons why we did this. And I think one of the other ones is Mexico, you know, we wanted to just showcase Mexico in a beautiful, amazing way. I think it's… the media, what it usually shows. It shows about, you know, the violence that the country has, and a lot of Latino American countries, but barely rarely, we see also the beautifulness. You know, and every country has everything, right? Every country has the good and the bad and the ugly and the beautiful. But in media and mainstream media, we really don't get to see Mexico in this way. So, for us, it was really important. We said that Mexico is the fourth sister because we really wanted to showcase Mexico and its people, how kind the people are, how even when they don't have anything, they will give it to you, you know, like there were a couple of instances where we did that, you know, of like they will give you their shoes, you know, they will offer you food, they will welcome you to their homes. And there's this kindness that our people have, and the beautiful pueblos mágico that we get to find. So that's another message of, you know, just how one country is not one thing only and there's a beautiful just colors to it. And we wanted to showcase that as well. That was part of also the message for us. Marta Méndez Cross: They said it so beautifully. I'm just sitting here like a proud older sister. But you know, one thing that keeps coming up that we want people to get from this, and this is more personal and relating to me as my experience as a Latina woman, a Latin American. I'm half Latina and half Irish American. My dad was military and one of the things that keeps coming up at our screenings is Latinos who don't speak the language, and a lot of people feel afraid to get connected to their roots when they have grown up in the US. They feel Latinos feel ashamed to say, “I'm a proud Latino” if they don't speak Spanish and like, can't speak Spanish to their family members. And it's the same for universally, you know you're to embrace your roots. You feel like you have to be those roots, but it's in your blood. And part of me, you know, in this journey, was getting embraced by my Virginia, and Valeria through the whole process. They're like you are… a Latina woman. And we've had a lot of people come up to us after screenings who said, “I hadn't seen myself that way in a movie,” when they show a Latin American or they show a Latino story, it's like, not the American Latino stories offer. And I just, I appreciate that. And one of the interviewers the other day said to us, he's like, “I want to talk to my grandmother. I want to pick up Spanish. I want to try it. I was embarrassed to try it, but I think I'm going to try it.” Because, you know, my character specifically speaks unapologetically, you know, throughout the film, which is part of the comedy, but, you know, it's a real thing. It's a real thing. I've shed real tears about not feeling like I could consider myself Latina because I didn't speak the language, or I didn't know my country as well. So, I hope that people get that, that they it's great to go visit their roots and to embrace themselves and all parts of themselves about that too. John Betancourt: Now Cristo, you spoke to the power of the journey being an important message. But is there anything else you want to add? Cristo Fernández: I mean, yeah, I think when it comes to our film is, as Marta is saying, embracing your roots, embracing, being proud of us as Latino and but also if you're not Latino, it's about embracing who you are and where you've come from, and that, yeah, we can all be different, but we're the same. And I love that message. I personally can tell you that my superpower, and what's given me opportunities is that I'm very Mexican, and I just unapologetically, I thank with a tequila and bring them mazapanes. And I just do that, and by doing that, I share my culture and, yeah, sometimes I know there's still so much to be done in terms of how us as Latinos have to be represented in the cinema, in the movies, and we need more Latinos and Latinas behind the scenes, cast, crew, but also the conversation sometimes tends to go into the I am a victim but we want people to feel empowered with our film. And again, you don't have to only be a Latino. You can be from any other culture but embrace your culture. Embrace who you are as a person, because that’s what makes you unique and special, and just my character, I love Kin, that he randomly ends up helping these three ladies, and what could have been just a random encounter ended up changing his life, because then when he sees them again, he’s helping them more, and then by doing that, he helps himself. So, I think another message is helping others helps you. And helping others is good. John Betancourt: So, something I really want to dive into today… I'm Mexican American myself. As a journalist, I'm only covering one television show right now that is focused on Latinx individuals. So, this is a huge deal, because it's an important project. And I agree with -- I can't think of a project that shows Mexico like this in the slightest, but I want to know for each of you, what it means to you person and be putting forth a project that is so important from representation standpoint. Virginia Novello: It's everything. that's the reason why we started doing this in the first place. You know that we’ve all had different experiences about representation, and all the experiences are valid. You know, like my experience was kind of different from maybe Valeria, or Marta, just because I wasn't getting cast as a Latina, just because I have blue eyes, and they just could not, they could not bear that a Latina had blue eyes, not part of the deal. So, and then I felt so like, oh, a shunned from the movies and the industry as a Latina, because it's like, you cannot play this who you are. You cannot play this of what your essence is. And I was so just very taken aback, you know, which that's why I started writing like, I started writing a short film like, way back when. And then it's so important that people see themselves represented in the screen, which is why we had the three sisters have three different experiences of what a Latina is. You know, they have three very different experiences with languages, even when you grow in the same family, you do, they have very different experiences of their connection to their country, their connection to their motherland, their connection to the country that they were born into, their connection to their grandmother, their connection to their mother, you know? And so, because that's what happens, right? Just because you were born in one family doesn't mean that you all go into one path. And so, we get to represent three different experiences of what is Latina. You know, it's like for Lucia. She doesn't want to speak Spanish because she doesn't want to speak it until it's perfect. You know, she's a perfectionist, and she doesn't feel very Mexican herself. She's battling with like, am I? Am I not? Like she because of the environment that she has to be in, which is, she's a lawyer. She has been like very; I would say word… whitewashed. You know, she had to really assimilate into that world in order to become a very successful lawyer. You know, Maria is somebody that, like, really idolizes, like the idea the fantasize of Mexico, right? So, she has this movie fantasy of Mexico. It's like, she's like, “Viva Mexico!”, and she does all these things that are so extremely funny, but that is like a fantasized version of what Mexico is. And then finally, when she steps into it, right? It's a whole other experience for her being a fish out of water, and for Sofia, she kind of did the opposite, where when she was 18, she moved back to Mexico, and so she really embraced her Mexican-ness, and she kind of shunned her American-ness side, because that involved her family. So she kind of like pushed away her family, and she was like, “No, I'm Mexican”, and I live here now, and you guys are gringas, and I speak Spanish more than many of you, and I know better than any of you about this country, you know, and so, and she feels more Mexican to herself, and she feels more comfortable in Mexico, and she there's a lot of like, battle of, also, of the cultures between them, of like, I'm Chicana, I'm Mexican, I'm this, I'm that. And so, we wanted to just point out that there's so many experiences that being Latino is not a monolith that, like it can cover all different types of skin color, eye color, experiences, languages and all that. And so that was so important to us, that we could get to people, get to watch it and be like, “Oh, I relate to this. Oh, I relate to that. I relate to that.” And it's just not one blanket statement. Marta Méndez Cross: I mean, I started crying when you said you were Mexican American and that you're covering one show, and I cry easily. So sorry right now, because we're in celebration mode. We're finally bringing this, and people are talking about it, and we're talking to someone who's actually experienced this movie, but it's also that you review so many and you're a fan of movies. So, someone like you who's a fan of movies and is getting all the messages and says, how much you love this film. It's just like my wildest dreams; our wildest dreams are coming true. It's wild. But then you touch on very human element of what this film is, and you're like, “I'm Mexican American in this industry, and I'm covering one show even portrays in this way.” And “I've never seen Mexico,” which was intentional to make Mexico, you know, a character in the film. You know love story, a letter to Mexico. But I just… it's wild to me, like we really, we're hitting a nerve that's been there for a long time, but it's, its time, it's timely, because people are open to seeing, like, “Oh, this is how we're not being represented.” Because the representation, that topic’s been talked about so much, but it's like, what? How? What do we do? Like, what does this mean? Like, how do we show representation? Other people are like, we are representing, you know, it's like, really and truly, just allowing the industry to buy films that are varied stories, that are all sorts of stories, because, you know, they're buying the same story over and over. It's not that Latinos aren't writing it. It's not that the stories aren't being written and trying t get made. It's that what's getting bought is the same story over and over. So, then we, as a, you know, with Espectro Mx Films, which is Christo’s production company, executive produced, and, you know, our executive producers in production, we had to work extremely hard to get to this point. Like we wouldn't give up, because we knew that no one else was going to do it. So, I forgot what the question was, though I was so stuck on the fact that you said you were a Mexican American, and I'm still there, in my feelings. John Betancourt: No, you answered it perfectly, and it is a big deal to feature Latinos in popular culture, so please, get your feelings on. Marta Méndez Cross: Thank you so much. No, really, and it's it, I know Susie Mendoza (writer of Dick Bunny) had introduced us, but I mean, the fact that you said yes, you know the fact that you said yes, because I know that you're so incredibly busy. But you saying yes is part of the solution. You as a reviewer, a movie reviewer, we had the same conversation with South by Southwest. Didn't show our film, but we asked the programmer, because I'm from Texas, and it was like something that I dreamed about. I went to UT and, you know, rode through the festival on my bike, like… one day I will show here. So, it was a big one for me to get a “no” from. And we asked the programmer, who was in charge of like, Latino content to have a meeting with us so we can understand why. And he took it, and we told him in the meeting, we're like we looked at your program, and you don't have -- barely any Latinos on your program. The one Latino film is, you know, directed by, you know, white director, white production. You are supposed to be our -- you're a white Welsh man in charge of the Latino section of South by Southwest. But you are an ally. You have to say yes to more films, even if you feel like they don't, you know, whatever in your programming, you have to say yes, as long as it's a good enough film. You have to say yes. Because he said, “Well, we're just a film festival,” and we're like, no. Hollywood. The people buying our film is asking what festival you're playing at to decide if they buy it. I was like, you are part of the system. You are part of this whole thing where in representation, and that's where us on this journey have seen what the problem is with representation. It's that it takes people, it takes allies like you to do the coverage, to actually take the time to watch and to, you know, put it out there. John Betancourt: It was a no-brainer for me, and a big enough deal that I was nervous about this interview, nervous about the review because I want to get it right. It’s that big of a deal. So, I thank you for the opportunity. I do think though, Valeria, you had something to say on this as well. Valeria Maldonaldo: Yes, this is just also beautiful. So, I'm just over here, like, with my popcorn, being like, yeah, I love this cinema. I'm gonna try to keep it short. I just think, you know, I think that there's a reason why this is coming out now. It's, it's taken us nine years to get here, and the movie has kind of chosen itself. It has its own spirit, like what it's going to do, and it's coming out right now. And I think that, in itself is a miracle, because I think right now, specifically, we need to see our Latino community represented in a beautiful way, which is the truth. It's the truth. We're not, we're not lying. And I'm not saying that the other side, which has, you know, like violence and crime that also exists, because in any society, both exist, right? We have like, we'll have people that are criminals, and we'll have people that are, you know, creating a beautiful life for themselves. And so, I think just giving, since our spotlight has been on the crime side, it's now time to put the spotlight on the other beautiful, authentic side of us. And I think now more than ever, we need to put that spotlight. And we are here in this movie, just representing a whole community of so many different countries and so many different variants, like Virginia was saying, the ones that are in states, the ones that are in like in their countries, ones that speak English, but I think, like today, that's what's important. And I had, for example, I was talking to someone that was sharing her story about being undocumented and she was not being able to get medical care. She got hit by a car, literally hit by a car, and couldn't get medical care because she was scared right now to, you know, do anything about it. And it might be, you know, like stupid, but at the end of our conversation afterwards, like, I showed her the trailer for the movie, and she got so excited. And like, I could, like, you know, she had like, tears in her eyes, and she was laughing, and in that moment, I was like, “Oh, this is why. Oh, this is why.” Because, you know, right now, we might not be able to go and change other big things, but we can show those people that we're seeing them, that we are them, and that the world can see them in a very beautiful light. So, I think the timing for me, specifically in my in my like, the way I feel it's perfect, it's perfect. It's what we need. John Betancourt: It really is. Cristo, I’ll let you close us out today with your thoughts. Cristo Fernández: I think we've covered everything. I think we've expressed it beautifully. I'm just grateful to be in this journey with Las Tres Sisters and all the beautiful, talented women in this project. I'm just a lucky dude surrounded by talented women and yeah, just to not repeat myself, I just want to anyone out there that is going to listen to our conversation, that when they come and ask, “What do I have to do to be an actor? What do I have to do to be a writer? What do I have to do to be a photographer? What does it take? It takes nine years to get your film out there, like we did with Las Tres Sisters. And I always say I met my biggest hero, Guillermo Del Toro, from Guadalajara, and he told me that Pinocchio took him 15 years. So, achieving your dreams, building your dreams, making your dreams come true, takes time, takes effort, takes people, takes time, takes patience, takes discipline. Of course, if you want to be one in a million that walks down the street and suddenly you are everything, well, then aim for that. But that's just one in a million. But all of us who don't come from, who are not in the industry or what, when we started, it takes time. So just a reminder that to everyone out there that is going to go and watch, please our film 21st February, in cinemas, and it's important for us to support our film, because that's the only way they're going to be more indie films and more Latino representation, but also more stories that are different, that are not in the general and I just look forward to hearing everyone's thoughts. We are looking forward to hearing everyone's thoughts when they go to the cinema and buy the popcorn, and sodas, and nachos, and watch the film in the big screen. This interview has been lightly edited and condensed for clarity. Eden Sher is a highly accomplished actor that has appeared in a host of notable comedies throughout the years. Such as, The Middle, Superstore, and Lopez vs Lopez, and this week she dropped by Night Court as Madison. A strait-laced assistant that goes the extra mile for Dan and the team, and we had the honor of sitting down with Eden to discuss her time on the show.
John Betancourt: I’d like to start by getting to know, what attracted you to the role of Madison. Eden Sher: I mean, the truth is, my agents were like, “Do you want to do an episode of Night Court?” And I was like, “Yeah!” And then they sent me this script. I was like, let me read the script, though, to make sure. I was like, I knew it had a precedent. I knew it was going to be adorable. But then I was like, let me just make sure. And I read it, and I was like, “Yes, this is this is me.” I don't want to say I could do this in my sleep, because that makes it sound like I don't work very hard. But it was just to say that I well, I don't, who knows, maybe I don't work very hard. (Laughs) But I was like, “Yes, I love it. This is… I identify with this type of person.” I don't know. I just thought it was fun. I don't know, why did I want to do it? It was fun. It was fun. John Betancourt: I want to talk a lot about the fun side of it today, because your role is very unique, and I appreciate that it's almost kind of in contrast to season three’s zaniness, because Madison's kind of that strait-laced, deadpan humor, in a world where, you know, Flobert is wearing wigs in the weirdest, weirdest of situations. And I'm kind of curious, um, if it was difficult to pull off that strait-laced vibe. Eden Sher: Well, I don't know that I did pull it off John. But yes, it was, I was like, there were a lot of times I was like, “Oh, my God, I'm straight-manning right now. Like, I'm straight-manning John Laroquette, or anyone, or Flobert. Like, I am the least broad person in the room right now. And I've never experienced that in my life. And so. I was like, “Oh, God, I didn't really nail that joke.” And its sort of like, wait, actually, I didn't have really have a joke there. Like, I need to be there to, like, set up someone else's joke. And I was like, I was trying to get in contact with my like, if there is a deadpan side of me, there's like, not really, I tried to go as far as I could go. But it is. It was a totally, it was like, simultaneously, not a stretch. I love the like assistant, on it, yes, yes, yes part. But just kind of, I was like, I gotta get in touch with my dry side. John Betancourt: Well, I think you nailed it. 110% Eden Sher: Good. Great. They fix everything in editing. (Laughter) John Betancourt: What’s also really intriguing about this season is, or the show in general. Is that, even though there's so much zany, sometimes there's a real grounding of realism with all these characters, even with the guest stars, Madison has a real, real depth, to her, and I'm curious how you found that depth. Eden Sher: Um, you're treating me like I'm a real actor. (Laughter from Eden and John). Um, no, I think it is just, um, I didn't like, really try to find any sort of depth. It's more like with every single, every role I do, no matter how broad or dry or whatever. Just like, try to find like, not without sacrificing the comedy or the actual music of the jokes, just to like, at the end of the day, how would a human person react in this situation? And so even if the way, like my human person would react a little differently or if it's like, not a little different, if it's like, opposite and in like, complete contrast to what I'm physically doing. I can't remember there's any line in this, or any part where that happened. I don't think there was, but it's almost, it almost becomes more interesting then to be like, “Okay, I'm gonna commit to this joke, this bit, or whatever, but I have to play it” -- it's like, if it's like, I'm going to be really, if the reaction is supposed to be, you know, angry, but really, I would be like, I would be devastated. The real human person would be really devastated. I think that's where a lot of the funny comes in, where it's like, “I'm going to say the words, I'm going to say them in the angry, but I know on the inside, I'm gonna be really sad,” and that's where, sort of, like, the depth is, where the comedy comes in. So how do I find the depth? I don't know. I just go to, like, how would I be a person? And sometimes it's good, sometimes it's not. (Laughter) John Betancourt. Obviously, you’re no stranger to multi-cam and comedy, and I'm just curious. I've heard time and time again that the energy of the audience is a huge deal in kind of influencing your performance and making it work. What does it do for you when you get out there on stage and that audience is there? Eden Sher: I mean, it really, I think what it really does is help you find jokes that you maybe didn't know were there before. Because even though, you know multi camera is a little different than performing well, different than performing live, where you truly don't know where they're going to laugh. I mean, because I perform live, and it's like I have jokes written and I know that sometimes they will laugh, I have places where there’s tried and true laughter, but like each audience is a little bit different, and you never know if they're going to find something that you didn't have before. And so, like, it's a little bit more contrived with multi cam. I think I can say that, because they're sort of guided. They're really guided when to laugh. But it is still a live audience. So, if they pick up on something, and you have writers, you have a team of writers at like, crowded around this one, you know, this one monitor. And so like, if they do, if the audience picked up on some things that maybe the writers and the actors did not pick up on, they immediately, they come in, and I had a line like that where they changed it, where they're like, “Wait a second, actually, pause” and that got a laugh. “Pause after the first part. And then we're gonna add on to it.” And they'll just like, (Eden makes a rapid typing motion) and they’re like, re-memorize. Like, here's another joke to add on. So, like the live audience. It does. It does. It's, like, I don’t want to say this, it’s going to sound really egotistical, but like, “They're a third, they're another character.” But, like, they kind of are in the like, form of the script. They are their own character. John Betancourt: Now, this is Night Court. It's one of the biggest franchises to ever be around in sitcoms and comedy in general. I'm just curious what it means to you personally now to be a part of the lexicon of this franchise. Eden Sher: Honestly, I don't think I realized how big of a deal it was until my mom. Like my until my mom started freaking out, and then when I saw her on set, because I brought her, it's like, “You have to come and you have to meet John, like, you gotta come on. And so like, seeing her this, like 65-year-old, staunch like, she does not have a sense of, like whimsy or like wonder about her. Seeing her have this sense of the complete wonder, like, just like astonishment. On set. I was like, “Oh, this is kind of a big deal.” This is, like, very cool. I'm like, “Yeah, I'm part of the canon. I'm in the canon now. I'm in the Night Court. MC -- I'm in the Night Court CU.” John Betancourt: The Night Court CU. We need that. And actually, now I have to ask a follow-up if it's okay. What was that like, seeing your mom meet John Larroquette? Eden Sher: Oh, it was, honestly, it was hilarious. It was amazing, because she never doesn't have something to say. Like, that woman can just like talk and talk and talk. And she met him, and she was silent. She was like, “nice to meet you.” And I was like, “Mom,” and also John. I think, I think John likes me. Because I was like, “Listen, Mom, he might not want to, he might not like, he might need to go home. He might just need to go home.” And he was so sweet. He was like, “Where's your mom? Where's your mom?” He loved them. He knows how to deal with moms. And he was like, “Let me, let me meet your mom.” And he was so wonderful. But he was really trying to get some conversation out of her. She just couldn't, couldn't fathom, it was amazing, amazing. This interview has been lightly edited and condensed for clarity. Emily Brundige is a talented writer that has worked on some iconic shows, such as The Powerpuff Girls, and Teen Titans Go! Her current project, Goldie, recently debuted on Apple TV+, and we had the honor of sitting down with Emily to discuss her new show. One based on the short of the same name that Emily brought to the silver screen in 2019.
John Betancourt: I do want to start kind of at the beginning. I am very curious what inspired the creation of Goldie to begin with. Emily Brundige: Well, I created the character in 2016, and I was feeling like I wanted to create a character who was a girl who took up space, simply put. And I felt like by creating a giant girl character, just by her existing, you know, she was kind of undeniable. And so that's kind of where it came from. And then also this feeling of, “Wow, this, this is a really good idea,” you know, this, she could be her own version of Clifford, the Big Red Dog, like this iconic giant friend, you know. And kind of being able to show such a diverse town where, you know, her family is a bird, and her best friend is the tiniest girl in her grade. And kind of how showing that everyone's kind of learning to accept themselves for being different sizes or different kinds of creatures and people. John Betancourt: Now, Goldie’s been through quite the journey. As you said, you made it happen in 2016, came out as a short film in 2019. What brought about a television series for Goldie? Emily Brundige: Well, honestly, I had always wanted to, or I always had the intent of pitching it down the line as a series. So that was in my thoughts from the beginning. But I also wanted to create a short that could have its own life, because I had been, so many times, in development on a project that never saw the light of day, and it was an opportunity to create something that I could call my own. And it was nice having it be seen all over the world and festivals. And then, kind of, when it felt time, I got serious about pitching it as a show. And it's, it's one of those things that never happens, where things just work out. Like, I intended to make it a short that plays in festivals and then sell it as a show, make it into a show, and it's just, like, can't believe it actually worked. John Betancourt: So textbook and so storybook in its own right. Wow. Now, since it's something you always kind of envisioned, and it sounds like there's just so much thought that went into this Goldie in general, were there any challenges that you ran into then, when you got the green light for the series and in expanding her story? Emily Brundige: Um, I think that her size, just from a visual perspective, yeah, was a fun challenge, I think for everyone to kind of figure out how to show her interacting with all her tiny friends and whatnot, kind of just dealing with scale in that way, I think was the biggest challenge. John Betancourt: Obviously, there's that core message that's there, about diversity and accepting oneself and all those pieces, but I couldn't help but notice, as I'm watching each episode, there's multiple messages in each episode as well, which I absolutely love. I'm all about messaging. But what kind of challenge went into creating such layered episodes that have so much to say about just us? Emily Brundige: Yeah, I mean, I think that they were episodes were written by very human people, very, you know, caring, feeling writers, and that we were trying to be authentic in where the stories were coming from and telling the right kinds of emotional stories that we felt were relatable to us and would be relatable to other people and kids. John Betancourt: One of the best parts about Apple TV+ and their family entertainment lineup, is that it really is designed to spark discussion in the. What are you most excited for families to discuss when everybody in the house has had a chance to watch this first season? Emily Brundige: Yeah, I think that if it helps kids to be able to discuss their emotions, because the show so clearly demonstrates, you know, especially in Goldie, you know, when she's sad, she might like flood the town, you know? Like, it's just so oversized that, I hope it's comforting to kids who feel like, you know, maybe it's they shouldn't be showing these kinds of emotions. John Betancourt: I love that. We don’t talk enough about how emotions are present in younger children and how hard those are to navigate as they continue to grow. So, I think that's a great place to go with that. And obviously this is a product that is so personal to you, has gone on this amazing journey, this storybook journey in its own right. What does it mean to you now to have this debuting on one of the biggest platforms out there? Emily Brundige: It means a great deal. I think this… for in my career, was really my baby and dream project, and for the world to be able to experience it… just… I could never have imagined that. And I think it's coming at a really good time when we're living in time where I when I think people really need a happy escape, and so I'm hoping that it will really provide that for people, that they'll like to escape to Boysenberg and kind of feel the warmness of it. John Betancourt: It’s also coming at a time that it's almost like… there's a revolution in family programming right now where we are seeing these elevated, much more in-depth programs, and well, the last question I have for you today, what does it mean to you personally, to now be part of that revolution? Emily Brundige: It means that in my career, that I'm doing something good with my work, which is really important to feel like you're living a fulfilling and meaningful existence. Well, that's what it means, it means like, I feel like I'm putting good out into the world, which makes me really happy. This interview has been lightly edited and condensed for clarity. Gary Anthony Williams is a truly talented comedian and actor that has appeared in a mountain of films and television shows, and you can hear his distinct voice in a host of animated works as well. Currently he stars as Flobert on the hit NBC series, Night Court, and we recently had the honor of sitting down with Gary to discuss his work on the show.
John Betancourt: I'd like to start by getting to know what it means to be part of such an iconic franchise. Gary Anthony Williams: Dude. I watched this show religiously as a kid, and to step on that set, it's like, I'm stepping into the television. Because they really tried to keep that vibe going, like, from, from a lot of the original set pieces on there, and they wanted to make it look like, you know, things have not changed in all this time, like it's still that slow moving court system in New York. It's amazing. Like I worked with John Larroquette in the past on Boston Legal. So that was good to work with him, just to be able to work with him again. But then Melissa Rauch is one of the kindest human beings ever invented. If they invented people, she's definitely one of the kindest ever. And Wendie Malick, come on, she's too nice. Legally. Somebody has to stop it. Then you got Lacretta and Nyambi Nyambi, who are just talented human beings by every measure you know. So, it's fantastic stepping back into that, like becoming part of becoming part of my childhood, and still having that flavor. I love it. I absolutely 100% love it. John Betancourt: I'm also curious too, because the comedy this year is just so, I mean, it's always been good, but it's so next level this year, so amazing. And I'm just curious how you as an actor have found the zany essence of Flobert. Gary Anthony Williams: The beauty of it. And I tell all my buddies, that is, the show gets to do a lot of stupid stuff. Flobert. He gets to do the stupidest stuff. He's the only guy on there that there are no rails for him. Like he's been a judge, he's been a lawyer, he's been a clerk, he sold sodas, like he's done everything. Sold real estate, apparently, he's been involved in rap battles in the past. There's there are no limits to what he can do and who he can be and who he has been. So, every time I get a script, it's a joy. It's like me doing this (Gary gleefully rubs his hands together), as my son calls it, “Smithering” my hands, going, “What is Flobert up to this week?” Because there is absolutely no telling. I don't have to abide by any rules as Flobert. John Betancourt That is so true. I mean, him being in a trash can is probably one of the highlights of that. (Laughter from Gary) Gary Anthony Williams: So silly, and this this season, we have a huge musical number, that song and dance number, and that, you know, I get to do some singing and dancing alongside Broadway star Lacretta. So, yeah, she is… she has the pipes brother. Also. Hold on. I see Brent Spiner over your shoulder, and he will be back! He's going to be back on an episode. John Betancourt: Oh, that makes me so happy. It was such a joy to have him on the show again last season. So, we’ve got your Broadway number coming up. We've got Brent Spiner coming back. What else are you super excited for fans to experience in this back half of the season? Gary Anthony Williams: Well, I always, you know, when they bring back characters from the past, like Marsha Warfield, she's going to be coming in, in a terrific episode. And then just the, just the guest cast that gets to come in, like Kate Micucci, who is one of my favorite people in the world. Um, definitely, definitely that musical number, obviously, is just one of the finest things. But you got people like Lauren Lapkus coming in to do some stuff, who I just did this space movie with her. They the guest cast that they have coming in, and I tell all my buddies who are funny. I was like, “Sooner or later, you're going to be on the show.” They never bring anybody in who can't knock it out of the park. And that's the fun like, how are they going to knock it out of the park? And my good buddy Ryan Hansen, who is plays the love interest as of late on there with Melissa Rauch’s character, so there's some good stuff coming up with him as well. John Betancourt: That's so much good stuff coming up. You kidding me? I was already excited about the first two things. Now we get all these other great guest stars. Like, wow. Gary Anthony Williams: By the way, so I was such a fan of Brent Spiner’s, and I had never met him, ever. Like, you know, I've worked with Shatner, you know, and everybody, also, just in his realm, I've worked with most of those people. I had never met him, and he kills it number one, as funny a human being as you can be, and then he's like, “Oh, by the way, I have this album.” So, I downloaded this album of him singing like these old tunes. It's so fantastic. John Betancourt: So, I know he did an album with the cast of The Next Generation. Is it “Ol’ Yellow Eyes Is Back?” Or is it something new? Gary Anthony Williams: This is just him and, no, this is him and a female, singing. John Betancourt: Yeah, I'm in. Because he's a crooner, plain and simple. Gary Anthony Williams: Also, that episode is ridiculously funny. Like, if you're asking me, like, like, you know which episodes that is definitely one with him, his wife and Kate Micucci as his daughter, that is stupid funny. John Betancourt: That leads me to my next question then obviously the excitement in your voices is beyond palpable. What have you enjoyed the most about just being part of this experience? Gary Anthony Williams: Literally, you just answered it. It is being part of this experience. It is so much like family when you show up. Everybody cares about everybody. Melissa Rauch is… she seriously is one of the five kindest people I've ever met in Hollywood, and she… they're so loyal to the people that they bring in, and they want them to do well, and they want them to do their thing, just literally being a part of a show like that, that takes care of you, and the writers get the idea of what you can do, and they keep pushing it further… like, I can't ask for much more than that in a career to, like, look forward to. The new script and the changes and what's gonna happen. And I get to do it this again this week. Nothing better. John Betancourt: Last question I have for you today, if you had to describe this back half of the season in one single word, what would that word be? Gary Anthony Williams: It's a hyphenated word, okay, the hyphenated word is… it-just-keeps-getting-stupider-and-better. That's the hyphenated word. This interview has been lightly edited and condensed for clarity. Sara Garcia is a talented actor that has appeared in a bevy of films and shows and has lent her voice to countless works of art as well. Currently, she stars as Jennifer Morales in the new NBC series, The Hunting Party, and we here at NTG had the honor of sitting down with Sara to discuss her work on the show.
John Betancourt: I would love to start by getting to know what it was that attracted you to this series as an actor. Sara Garcia: Yes, it was right off the heels of the SAG and WGA strikes, and it was a really exciting project that just came in. And to me, it showed that we were we were coming back to work and the energy was sort of palpable. I auditioned for it without reading the pilot, and was attracted to the character because my brother was in the Canadian Armed Forces, and I had always wanted to play a role where I was maybe in the military, just as a nod to him, and to have that connection between us. He got to be the real-life version, and I got to be the TV version. And then, through the audition process, I was given the pilot, and the pilot blew my mind. I was… I was shocked. I'm… I'm usually kind of timid and scared about horror and serial killer content, but that sort of drove me to want to dive in more. I had never done a character or a project like this, and so I was like, let's go. John Betancourt: That is so awesome. I had no idea that you had such a personal tie to Jennifer in that respect. And speaking of Jennifer, she is just so dynamically different than the majority of the team, especially in this third episode, and we kind of get to know her better. And I'm curious how you kind of found that quirky essence of her. Sara Garcia: Oh, that quirky essence of her is me. I think what was interesting is a lot of the times in first seasons, you know, we're all trying to find the idea. And so, I had this idea. I would, I would come to set, and I would just be unabashedly me and all my quirky weirdness. And I think they picked up on it because they started writing her more tailored to me, and, yeah, it was great. I know the scene you're referring to, and that was really fun for me to play, because I do have those moments where I talk a million miles a second, and I am laser focused. So, yeah, but, but mostly I like to insert parts of myself in all of my characters, just to keep it grounded and connected. And Morales is no exception to that. John Betancourt: I’m also very curious, what it means to be part of a show that is so unique and so special. Sara Garcia: Oh, it’s a dream come true. I think I've waited my entire life as an actor to be a part of something like this at this scale, working with a company like NBC. I mean, I cried when I got the part, and it was just really exciting from start to finish. And working with such wonderful people was just an absolute dream. John Betancourt: What I love, too, is every episode has amazing surprises. We don't want to spoil any surprises. But just as an overall view for the rest of the season, what are you most excited for audiences to experience? Sara Garcia: Oh, I'm excited overall for honestly, for people to see these incredible guest star performances. I mean, we have some really amazing people coming in who are playing our serial killers and, and folks at home are going to recognize them from projects and, and I think they're going to be so blown away by their performances. These actors just really brought it. And so, I'm excited for that. John Betancourt: I can hear the passion your voice, and you’ve talked about, how much you've injected yourself into Morales. What have you enjoyed the most about playing her so far? Sara Garcia: I enjoy her… her lightness and her optimism that she brings to work. It made going to work really easy. And we're shooting some really dark content. So that can, you know, depending on things, that can shape the environment and perspective. But because she lives in this effervescent light, kind of energy, it made it easy for me to for me to do. And then on top of that. Everybody, the whole cast, the whole crew. They're so amazing and funny and full of life that it just made going to work really, really, easy in general. It was just a really fun time. John Betancourt: Last question that I have for you today, what are you most proud of when it comes to what you've put forth on the show. Sara Garcia: I'm really proud of episode nine. We see a lot of Morales in episode nine. It's really her moment to shine and she gets to play a different role. And I'm really proud of that work. I'm really proud of the fact that she is taking charge and kind of stepping into a leadership position. You see her growth, and I'm excited for that episode. This interview has been lightly edited and condensed for clarity. |
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